Chicken or the egg!?

[AmpleSound]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38238685/ns/technology_and_science-science/  Interesting article lol.

[Rick]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38238685/ns/technology_and_science-science/  Interesting article lol.

Thanks Ample.  That was not only interesting, but also reinforced what I had been arguing for years.  How can you have an egg if there was never a chicken (hen) to lay it?  It makes sense to me.

[AmpleSound]

Hey no problem Rick.  Kinda weird though thinking about it... where'd the damn chicken come from? 

[Rick]

Hey no problem Rick.  Kinda weird though thinking about it... where'd the damn chicken come from? 

For some odd reason I've always believed that if anything was created, formed, or emerged, it started out as a fully formed creature, not the product of that creature.  It is weird though.  Who made the maker?  It's beyond human comprehension I suppose.

[CKFresh]

For some odd reason I've always believed that if anything was created, formed, or emerged, it started out as a fully formed creature, not the product of that creature.  It is weird though.  Who made the maker?  It's beyond human comprehension I suppose.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/aDaOgu2CQtI&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/aDaOgu2CQtI&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1</a>

[AmpleSound]

I will never buy into full fledged evolution... change sure, species changing nope.  You might as well say the chicken was a dinosaur and then the dinosaur ate it's baby because chicken is so good, then bang no chicken...

[CKFresh]

I will never buy into full fledged evolution... change sure, species changing nope.  You might as well say the chicken was a dinosaur and then the dinosaur ate it's baby because chicken is so good, then bang no chicken...

 

[Poe]

I will never buy into full fledged evolution... change sure, species changing nope.  You might as well say the chicken was a dinosaur and then the dinosaur ate it's baby because chicken is so good, then bang no chicken...

Chickens evolved from dinosaurs.  The answer is the egg came first.  It was laid by a similar species and what hatched was a mutation.  For whatever reason, the mutation proved to be more sustainable than the original so it stuck while the original died off.  This isn't a theory as you understand the word, it's fact.  In science everything that cannot be proven to the degree required by scientific method is forever considered theory.  Do not confuse this with a thing that has yet to be proven, that is a hypothesis.  In science, theory isn't a step on the way to law, it's a different conclusion than law.

[Ballhawk]

Chickens evolved from dinosaurs.  The answer is the egg came first.  It was laid by a similar species and what hatched was a mutation.  For whatever reason, the mutation proved to be more sustainable than the original so it stuck while the original died off.  This isn't a theory as you understand the word, it's fact.  In science everything that cannot be proven to the degree required by scientific method is forever considered theory.  Do not confuse this with a thing that has yet to be proven, that is a hypothesis.  In science, theory isn't a step on the way to law, it's a different conclusion than law.

for this mutation to happen their must of been a change in the environment or diet and happen alot . Why this change is the question ? what happend . Some creatures change for defense or what not . Take a look at dogs , we have changed them for wild to pet and not just that , their hair , how tall , fat , we made them strong and some small . The pittbull was not a pure breed and was man made as well as other dogs . So its not that hard to see that other creatures will do it too . We see it more in dogs since they breed so fast .
Pigs that are tame will change thier looks in a matter of weeks once set loose , they get long hair and tusks .

[CKFresh]

Chickens evolved from dinosaurs.  The answer is the egg came first.  It was laid by a similar species and what hatched was a mutation.  For whatever reason, the mutation proved to be more sustainable than the original so it stuck while the original died off.  This isn't a theory as you understand the word, it's fact.  In science everything that cannot be proven to the degree required by scientific method is forever considered theory.  Do not confuse this with a thing that has yet to be proven, that is a hypothesis.  In science, theory isn't a step on the way to law, it's a different conclusion than law.

Any thoughts on the video?

Great songer, even better video.

[AmpleSound]

Science this... Science that...

SCIENCE HAS FAILED OUR WORLD!

I just found it an interesting article.  Either way I strongly doubt that one hatchling would be any different from another skeletally speaking.

[Poe]

Any thoughts on the video?

Great songer, even better video.

It's ok, I guess.  I'm not a real big fan of Pearl Jam.  Vedder is a self-important jackass.  He's one of those rock and roll figures who believes he becomes relevant by repeatedly claiming to be relevant.  Honestly, I prefer David Lee Roth, Kid Rock and Gene Simmons over the Vedder types.  At least they're up front about their narcissism.

[Poe]

for this mutation to happen their must of been a change in the environment or diet and happen alot . Why this change is the question ? what happend . Some creatures change for defense or what not . Take a look at dogs , we have changed them for wild to pet and not just that , their hair , how tall , fat , we made them strong and some small . The pittbull was not a pure breed and was man made as well as other dogs . So its not that hard to see that other creatures will do it too . We see it more in dogs since they breed so fast .
Pigs that are tame will change thier looks in a matter of weeks once set loose , they get long hair and tusks .

Sometimes mutations just happen.  I suspect it would have more to do with altered DNA of the parent.  THAT may have to do with the environment.  But it doesn't happen in one or two generations of cross breeding.  Evolution of a complicated organism takes hundreds of thousands of years and millions upon millions of generations, each with a slightly new characteristic that gives whatever slight advantage and subsequently sticks.  If we last long enough, humans will evolve to be immune to all infection.  Thus far it's been an evolutionary race with the virus and they are capable of evolving in a single generation in a matter of minutes.  But eventually the human body will overcome all mutations of virus, unless they kill us all off first.

[Poe]

Science this... Science that...

SCIENCE HAS FAILED OUR WORLD!

I just found it an interesting article.  Either way I strongly doubt that one hatchling would be any different from another skeletally speaking.

Science doesn't fail or succeed.  It merely exists.  Science is knowledge, an abstract addition to sentience.  It's not capable of action, failing or succeeding being actions.

Skeletally speaking, bones mutate in a single lifetime.  SEE: Osteoporosis

[CKFresh]

It's ok, I guess.  I'm not a real big fan of Pearl Jam.  Vedder is a self-important jackass.  He's one of those rock and roll figures who believes he becomes relevant by repeatedly claiming to be relevant.  Honestly, I prefer David Lee Roth, Kid Rock and Gene Simmons over the Vedder types.  At least they're up front about their narcissism.

Yeah, but Kid Rock and Gene Simmons never made a good song...