Palin is a heroin or on it

[RIVERS]

It's nice that you back a former President, have made every excuse for his misfortune and such. I guess he was just 'unlucky' and was a victim of some out-side information that was incorrect...yet somehow not his fault?.

Let's assume that conspiracy is correct.

Now YOU tell me about my 4,200 DEAD contemporaries?...is that ok by you?. Oh was that just a little 'slip' or 'glitch' by the Bush Administration?...I have friends that died Brother. I have people I know that died, that have no limbs because they got blown-off there bodies as they drove through the streets in Iraq.

I have friends who have no Fathers, kids who have no Mothers, Families that are shattered because of poor tactical Presidential decisions.

I know and visit men who think they still have limbs...that are not there---'phantom limbs' that have been blown off there bodies.

I know kids that will never know thier Dads...I know these people.

I know these people...to me they are real. Not some article read in the news.

Next time you write about politics and what really happens?...What really happens is war---and it's  not pretty.

Sometimes you don't have to say many words to say a lot.

Works both ways, Rivers.

Now come-on 'Tsiz'---Bush didn't directly 'out' Plame?, but his Chief of Staff and certainly Dick Cheney did. It was pay-back for the Novak piece the was published about all the lies of WMD's...and it ended with the only Man of Honor in the Administration resigning...No, not Bushes former Chief of Staff---I'm talking about Colin Powell.

There was never anything close to WMD's in Iraq..it's been proven over and over...don't perpetuate proven lies---lies to his Secretary of State ...THAT"S HIGH LEVEL LYING.  He resigned his office as an honorable man, used as a TOKEN before the United Nations, set-up as a fool, used as a token player, by an Administration that KNEW the real facts.

Please stop denying the truth that we all know today...there was nothing in Iraq that ever PROVED otherwise.

What was the payback for? Wilson was deluded. The Senate found that his report showed a definite interest on Hussein's part to open negotiations with Niger. It would have been open and shut had there not been serious bias on Wilson's part. He went into his ridiculous "mission" with prejudice, and he wasn't going to let his report stand in the way of a good story.

Oh Please...WHAT A BUNCH OF BS.

Whatever lies Chalabi had were quite convenient to a pre-set Bush agenda...They just worked the Chababi lies to fit thier own misguided BS.


Even if you think I'm wrong?...well it would be pretty fucking irresponsible to base intellegence and war on the word of Chablis.

EITHER WAY?...Bush was irresponsible and reckless. And his eagerness to bed-down with Chabalabi just proves that.

Bush is going to rely on intelligence of an Iraqi???...is THAT YOUR AND HIS EXCUSE???

That's fucked-up.  Second or third in line...Iraqi., oil guy..."let's trust his him".

Obviously the entire bulk of intel was not based on Chalabi's integrity. I thought that went without saying.

Yes, I knew about the German connection for the chemical weapons.  That's why I specifically mentioned the biological weapons whose source materials have receipts currently sitting in the records building at NIH and in the GSA.

Iraq was a threat to it's neighbors.  Iraq was not MORE of a threat to it's neighbors than Iran or North Korea.

Russia is a threat to it's neighbors.

Iraq was NOT a terrorist haven.  Draw a distinction between political disagreement and evil.  Those who oppose the way you think are not automatically evil.  Saddam Hussein would have killed Al Qaeda members on site.  He viewed them as a threat.  If there really was a list of people Hussein wanted dead you can rest assured that Osama bin Laden was on it.  Just maybe not as high on the list as George Sr.

Bush didn't out Plame, Reagan didn't know about the weapons and North really couldn't recall.  We have a saying in the IT world: once is an anomaly, twice is a coincidence, three or more is a pattern.

OK fine. When we get around to it we'll invade Iran and Russia. North Korea is a threat to South Korea and that's pretty much it, so they can wait.

Is that seriously the beef here? Why Iraq before Iran? Let's distribute our invasions fairly? Of course not. Iraq was thought to be the most imminent threat to our interests, and considering that neither Iran nor North Korea has managed to demonstrate any real muscle, it's not like we seriously miscalculated the severity of the threats posed by those countries compered to that posed by Iraq.

I think my continued presence here proves that I do not believe that people who think differently are necessarily evil.

There are other kinds of terrorists than Al-Qaida, and Hussein was certainly sympathetic to those who wished harm upon the US. Maybe not if they were of a different religion, but I'm pretty sure if it came down to it he would pick a Shia over an American.

Are you reading from Karl Rove's old press releases?  You are saying everything that has been proven false could have a bit of truth in it, so it's true.  How can you disagree with those of us who said Bush was a moron during his term in office, and now that we give him credit for having some intelligence, you say he was a moron and knew nothing?  You make absolutely no sense..."it is technically true that Bush paid Chalabi to lie to support his case for war, but it's false Bush knew Chalabi was lying"?  What a huge super tanker load of horse shit.  At first I thought you were serious.  Now, I think you've been drinking Rove Kool-Aid.

I didn't say he was a moron and knew nothing. I'm saying he had no reason to suspect that the INC intel was fabricated. We had no idea Chalabi was eying the top seat until after Saddam was gone. We paid for his services, assuming his intel was reasonably accurate. All I'm saying is, Bush didn't pay off some Iraqi to fabricate evidence, which is what you had said in the first place.

Please...there reasons for doing so was defamation and embarrassment...but they actually broke National Security protocol in doing so. (They had a good laugh, they should have been charged with espionage).

Novak himself said the CIA gave him Plame's name. What evidence do you have besides some ridiculous Cheney-based fairy tale that belongs in either a soap opera or a tabloid?

My cousin lost a shin to an IED. My aunt and uncle are on duty currently and my best friend is training at Marine OCS. I'm not callous to the casualties. To assume that war is abstract to me, while appearing to know next to nothing about the circumstances which brought about this war, is ignorant and silly.

[Rick]

Works both ways, Rivers.

What was the payback for? Wilson was deluded. The Senate found that his report showed a definite interest on Hussein's part to open negotiations with Niger. It would have been open and shut had there not been serious bias on Wilson's part. He went into his ridiculous "mission" with prejudice, and he wasn't going to let his report stand in the way of a good story.

Obviously the entire bulk of intel was not based on Chalabi's integrity. I thought that went without saying.

OK fine. When we get around to it we'll invade Iran and Russia. North Korea is a threat to South Korea and that's pretty much it, so they can wait.

Is that seriously the beef here? Why Iraq before Iran? Let's distribute our invasions fairly? Of course not. Iraq was thought to be the most imminent threat to our interests, and considering that neither Iran nor North Korea has managed to demonstrate any real muscle, it's not like we seriously miscalculated the severity of the threats posed by those countries compered to that posed by Iraq.

I think my continued presence here proves that I do not believe that people who think differently are necessarily evil.

There are other kinds of terrorists than Al-Qaida, and Hussein was certainly sympathetic to those who wished harm upon the US. Maybe not if they were of a different religion, but I'm pretty sure if it came down to it he would pick a Shia over an American.

I didn't say he was a moron and knew nothing. I'm saying he had no reason to suspect that the INC intel was fabricated. We had no idea Chalabi was eying the top seat until after Saddam was gone. We paid for his services, assuming his intel was reasonably accurate. All I'm saying is, Bush didn't pay off some Iraqi to fabricate evidence, which is what you had said in the first place.

Novak himself said the CIA gave him Plame's name. What evidence do you have besides some ridiculous Cheney-based fairy tale that belongs in either a soap opera or a tabloid?

My cousin lost a shin to an IED. My aunt and uncle are on duty currently and my best friend is training at Marine OCS. I'm not callous to the casualties. To assume that war is abstract to me, while appearing to know next to nothing about the circumstances which brought about this war, is ignorant and silly.

[Poe]

OK fine. When we get around to it we'll invade Iran and Russia. North Korea is a threat to South Korea and that's pretty much it, so they can wait.

Is that seriously the beef here? Why Iraq before Iran? Let's distribute our invasions fairly? Of course not. Iraq was thought to be the most imminent threat to our interests, and considering that neither Iran nor North Korea has managed to demonstrate any real muscle, it's not like we seriously miscalculated the severity of the threats posed by those countries compered to that posed by Iraq.

I think my continued presence here proves that I do not believe that people who think differently are necessarily evil.

There are other kinds of terrorists than Al-Qaida, and Hussein was certainly sympathetic to those who wished harm upon the US. Maybe not if they were of a different religion, but I'm pretty sure if it came down to it he would pick a Shia over an American.

Iran and North Korea did and still do pose the most serious threat to the US.  There is no such thing as most imminent.  A future event is either imminent or it isn't.

Nothing was miscalculated.  It was all very carefully calculated.  Bush made a laughing stock of the US intelligence agencies after 9/11 and then two years later was all over the TV claiming they could not possibly be fallible.

The point was that Iraq wasn't a terrorist group.  It was a sovereign nation.  No one calls the Nazis a terrorist group.

Hussein had no interest in religion.  Do you not remember the pictures of him parading around in a Persian military uniform?  He subscribed to the Seneca school of religion.  And remember, Al Qaeda are Sunnis, not Shia.  Yet Hussein had a death order on all members of Al Qaeda.  Syria was his only real ally.  He was a Baathist first and foremost.  Iraq was fairly secular, more so than Israel.

Saddam desperately wanted to befriend the US.  He had gone to great lengths (at least in his own mind) to appease the US prior to invading Kuwait.  So much so that we considered Iraq an ally right up until the invasion of Kuwait.  The first war was to prove to Saudi Arabia that we really would protect them.  The second was a personal vendetta of the Bush family for Saddam's attempt on George Sr.'s life.  As misguided as it may have been, Saddam felt betrayed by Bush the 41st.  He cheered when they announced that Bill Clinton had won the election.  It was Bush he hated, not America.

[Ballhawk]

lets not forget the black gold , thats the reason for most of it .

 I am still worried about north Korea , I read up on it all the time . They are backed by China for now . China launches their cyber attacks all the time . The United States has found numerous  virus planted by the Chinese in our power plants and water systems , you can go to CNN for more on that . We need to get out of the middle east and tell Israel good luck unless invaded , we can't fight in the middles east and the North at the same time , and its coming . The North has no supplies or natural resources all it has done is build an Army . They have two choices now . Make peace and get into the free trade or invade .

[RIVERS]

lets not forget the black gold , thats the reason for most of it .

 I am still worried about north Korea , I read up on it all the time . They are backed by China for now . China launches their cyber attacks all the time . The United States has found numerous  virus planted by the Chinese in our power plants and water systems , you can go to CNN for more on that . We need to get out of the middle east and tell Israel good luck unless invaded , we can't fight in the middles east and the North at the same time , and its coming . The North has no supplies or natural resources all it has done is build an Army . They have two choices now . Make peace and get into the free trade or invade .

I'm not so worried about North Korea.

But you are right about China and thier aggressive ways as it pertains to Computer/Internet security...they have people constantly probing for vulnerabilities. I know the vulnerabilities exist, most would be short-term issues (say if they wanted to control/knock-out a major power grid), but these are security breaches that need to be 'patched'.

I say an Evil-doer could throw the World into turmoil if they were able to hack Financial, power and light, water systems all at once....with a rather small Army they could do quite a bit of damage.

It's not science fiction.

[RIVERS]

Sorry about your cousin Vinny's shin.

I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends...If you would like to see them on 'Face book' or what-not?...it can be arranged.

Some of the pictures may be frightening. I know why they are frightening.

Don't piss me off with your 'endearing' comments.

There is a KILLER in our house....WHO DAT?

Insert pic of a Dumb-ass George Bush here-----


Serious...you want to see what stupidity has wrought?---Don't make me post pix that will make you bawl.

I will bring you to your knees, I don't give a crap how much of an 'intellect' you THINK you are.

[RIVERS]

Works both ways, Rivers.

What was the payback for? Wilson was deluded. The Senate found that his report showed a definite interest on Hussein's part to open negotiations with Niger. It would have been open and shut had there not been serious bias on Wilson's part. He went into his ridiculous "mission" with prejudice, and he wasn't going to let his report stand in the way of a good story.

Obviously the entire bulk of intel was not based on Chalabi's integrity. I thought that went without saying.

OK fine. When we get around to it we'll invade Iran and Russia. North Korea is a threat to South Korea and that's pretty much it, so they can wait.

Is that seriously the beef here? Why Iraq before Iran? Let's distribute our invasions fairly? Of course not. Iraq was thought to be the most imminent threat to our interests, and considering that neither Iran nor North Korea has managed to demonstrate any real muscle, it's not like we seriously miscalculated the severity of the threats posed by those countries compered to that posed by Iraq.

I think my continued presence here proves that I do not believe that people who think differently are necessarily evil.

There are other kinds of terrorists than Al-Qaida, and Hussein was certainly sympathetic to those who wished harm upon the US. Maybe not if they were of a different religion, but I'm pretty sure if it came down to it he would pick a Shia over an American.

I didn't say he was a moron and knew nothing. I'm saying he had no reason to suspect that the INC intel was fabricated. We had no idea Chalabi was eying the top seat until after Saddam was gone. We paid for his services, assuming his intel was reasonably accurate. All I'm saying is, Bush didn't pay off some Iraqi to fabricate evidence, which is what you had said in the first place.

Novak himself said the CIA gave him Plame's name. What evidence do you have besides some ridiculous Cheney-based fairy tale that belongs in either a soap opera or a tabloid?

My cousin lost a shin to an IED. My aunt and uncle are on duty currently and my best friend is training at Marine OCS. I'm not callous to the casualties. To assume that war is abstract to me, while appearing to know next to nothing about the circumstances which brought about this war, is ignorant and silly.

MY beef here is that it is obvious that the Administration we are talking about?...really used lies to create a War that killed my friends...and I'm pissed-off and will never forgive that.

Carl Rove gave-up the CIA operative because of the Novak story...but who cares?All it meant was that the chain of command was as flimsy and lacked any sort of leadership.

You seen to have no problem of butting American service-men and women in harm's way to protect an agenda...well I do. I have a problem with that..I have I want to punch you almost.

How dare you I  think that is UN-acceptable....I want you to see dead troops with thier faces blown-off--I want you yo think about some  military guy knocking on a door. (Don't open it...it's death)

I  don't mean the The issue at hand...I just mean in general...Bush is a guy that is not intelligent. He is just not smart...worst part about it?...when your dumb?-you should surround yot people. He was so dumb...he surrounded himself with DUMB-Asses

It is saddening and speaks to your ...sorry, stupidity that You stand tall for such a fool.

[RIVERS]

Works both ways, Rivers.

What was the payback for? Wilson was deluded. The Senate found that his report showed a definite interest on Hussein's part to open negotiations with Niger. It would have been open and shut had there not been serious bias on Wilson's part. He went into his ridiculous "mission" with prejudice, and he wasn't going to let his report stand in the way of a good story.

Obviously the entire bulk of intel was not based on Chalabi's integrity. I thought that went without saying.

OK fine. When we get around to it we'll invade Iran and Russia. North Korea is a threat to South Korea and that's pretty much it, so they can wait.

Is that seriously the beef here? Why Iraq before Iran? Let's distribute our invasions fairly? Of course not. Iraq was thought to be the most imminent threat to our interests, and considering that neither Iran nor North Korea has managed to demonstrate any real muscle, it's not like we seriously miscalculated the severity of the threats posed by those countries compered to that posed by Iraq.

I think my continued presence here proves that I do not believe that people who think differently are necessarily evil.

There are other kinds of terrorists than Al-Qaida, and Hussein was certainly sympathetic to those who wished harm upon the US. Maybe not if they were of a different religion, but I'm pretty sure if it came down to it he would pick a Shia over an American.

I didn't say he was a moron and knew nothing. I'm saying he had no reason to suspect that the INC intel was fabricated. We had no idea Chalabi was eying the top seat until after Saddam was gone. We paid for his services, assuming his intel was reasonably accurate. All I'm saying is, Bush didn't pay off some Iraqi to fabricate evidence, which is what you had said in the first place.

Novak himself said the CIA gave him Plame's name. What evidence do you have besides some ridiculous Cheney-based fairy tale that belongs in either a soap opera or a tabloid?

My cousin lost a shin to an IED. My aunt and uncle are on duty currently and my best friend is training at Marine OCS. I'm not callous to the casualties. To assume that war is abstract to me, while appearing to know next to nothing about the circumstances which brought about this war, is ignorant and silly.

IMAGINE THIS ...ANYONE...knock on your door, uniformed offficers....guess what?...your boy IS DEAD.

[501]

IMAGINE THIS ...ANYONE...knock on your door, uniformed offficers....guess what?...your boy IS DEAD.

I still can't understand it. The first Iraq war was fine but these battles with the counter insurgents is ineffective. I believe now that we have more troops in Afghanistan the death rate and toll will continue to increase. The rebel fighters are just waiting for them to walk into their traps. Let's just hope we don't see large enemy rocket fire or napalm bombings with our boys in the shark bowl.

I am tremendously happy our troops are pulling out of Iraq. I'm also glad they have set a date of return for our boys in Afghanistan.

[Rick]

[NONE!]

The Iraqi War is ending-up just like many of us said it would.  We were lied-to from it's inception, and so many people ate it up.  Wish we had old posts where we were called commies, reds, socialists, and cowards.  Tsiz, how can you still be fooled?  When are you going to admit you are flat wrong?  None of the facts support your position...NONE!  Will you ever come to the realization that you are still believing the lies given to us by a paid political dirty-trick jerk (Rove), a demented politics-at-any cost VP (Cheney), a out of touch, over his head, moron (W), and a political party who would spend the lives and bodies of thousands to remain in power. (Repubs)?  We are seeing this played-out yet today...propaganda to keep the gullible, mis-guided, and uneducated calling for the the end of their own self interests to futrther the cause of these me first, country be damned, neo royalty.  Get some tea bags and hang them from your hat.  Dismiss healthcare, business reforms, education, infrastructure, and equality, for the betterment of big business business and greed.  Blame Obama for immigration issues, not being an American, ruining the economy, being a socialist, and responsible for Afghanistan.  Complain about nothing being done, but cheer as your party throws a monkey wrench into any attempts to do anything meaningful.  As long as they keep enough people believing their platform, the longer we'll be looking for a way out of our current situation.  Maybe Palin will replace Steele as the RNC head and everything will be just great...

[Poe]

Sorry about your cousin Vinny's shin.

I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends...If you would like to see them on 'Face book' or what-not?...it can be arranged.

Some of the pictures may be frightening. I know why they are frightening.

Don't piss me off with your 'endearing' comments.

There is a KILLER in our house....WHO DAT?

Insert pic of a Dumb-ass George Bush here-----


Serious...you want to see what stupidity has wrought?---Don't make me post pix that will make you bawl.

I will bring you to your knees, I don't give a crap how much of an 'intellect' you THINK you are.

Settle down, Jebus.  You're not the moral authority of the world, the country or even the website.  You might want to consider not clicking post until you've had a chance to review while sober.

[Poe]

TSizzle,

First let me say that it's unfortunate that your family has had to suffer.  I would rather have had them on bases in the US than in zones in the middle east and Asia.

Let me also clarify that I did not say you thought liberal Americans were evil.  But you were parroting the Republican chant of "Saddam was evil."  Many Nietzsche quotes come to mind.  There is seldom a situation where dealing in morality is not a slippery slope logical fallacy.

"Saddam was a killer."  How many people are sitting on death row here in America?  If you worship law and order then the criminal is an enemy to your state.  America, every day, puts it's enemies to death at home and abroad.  So we're left to judge the morality based on the type of death: lethal injection versus medieval practices.

"Saddam gassed the Kurds."  "Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming, we're finally on our own..."  Saddam's government was a backwards one for sure.  Good then that he never had the type of funding necessary for projects like MK-Ultra.  Here in America, if you look backwards just a little bit you'll see things like the trail of tears.  I wonder if Iraq will now leapfrog into the 21st century in terms of morality and equal rights.  I mean now that moral America has showed them the benefits of kindness.  Excuse me, I just threw up a little jade in my mouth.

[RIVERS]

Settle down, Jebus.  You're not the moral authority of the world, the country or even the website.  You might want to consider not clicking post until you've had a chance to review while sober.

Sorry I'm just sick of folks in thier 20's .....EARTHQUAKE AGAIN!!!!!!!!.....brb.

*edit*--I was typing at the time...short little quake- nothing compared to the Easter Quake (when I was whimpering under a table  )

[RIVERS]

Sorry I'm jusk sick of folks in thier 20's .....EARTHQUAKE AGAIN!!!!!!!!.....brb.

Ok, that wasn't so bad...5.7 quake.

No, I won't apologize for something I feel such passion for.

20 somethings coming home in body bags is something I feel passionate about. So you may have to excuse me if I go 'off' on you or anyone else. I'm sick of it...there are times of physically feeling like I'm going to throw-up-but that means nothing to what families are going through.

Sit in your comfy home and type about how bad war is...while chomping on a Domino's pizza and enjoying a ballgame. (I'm not saying that's you) But that's an attitude I'm sick of in folks.