Palin is a heroin or on it

[RIVERS]

I think CKFresh was attempting to represent Palin's views rather than his own. Jumped the gun there, Rivers.

I would not be surprised, however, if he were disenchanted with the President. There are tons of Obama voters regretting their decision.

I'm not saying the alternative would have been better; I don't know that. But I don't think McCain would have needed 6 months to decide Afghanistan needed more troops. He wouldn't have sent back the Churchill bust or regaled England with some incompatible DVDs and a freakin iPod. He could also be expected to know a little more than Obama and Holder about Arizona's immigration situation.

Please...I think your giving Senator McCain a bit too much credit.  He may know what DVD's are, but iPod?...He probably thinks that is some sort of new Pea or perhaps some new Low-income Housing program.

[RIVERS]

You really are dumb as a rock...

A typical come-back from one who has nothing intelligent to say...what's next; "Yo Momma"?

Perhaps if your original post was clear as to your point and what your meaning was?...Never mind, I guess you couldn't find any response to 'cut and paste' that day, so you took-it upon yourself to create a confusing analogy.

Please...I think your giving Senator McCain a bit too much credit.  He may know what DVD's are, but iPod?...He probably thinks that is some sort of new Pea or perhaps some new Low-income Housing program.

So... Obama's a victim of his own tech savvy? McCain probably would have picked a more traditional and thoughtful gift for our most treasured allies, like the pen set made from the sister ship to the Resolute Desk's namesake that Brown gave to the President. Other gifts, including the Queen's iPod, the children's Air Force One models, and the DVD set make it seem like Obama dropped by Target on his way to England.

[RIVERS]

So... Obama's a victim of his own tech savvy? McCain probably would have picked a more traditional and thoughtful gift for our most treasured allies, like the pen set made from the sister ship to the Resolute Desk's namesake that Brown gave to the President. Other gifts, including the Queen's iPod, the children's Air Force One models, and the DVD set make it seem like Obama dropped by Target on his way to England.

How about a quill feather and ink set, a "Victrola" to honor Queen Victoria if he travels to England, and perhaps a model of the Enola Gay model airplane to the Japanese PM. All nice gifts.

Senator McCain has a fight of his own at the 'ranch'.

What's John Edwards up-to lately?...just curious. His wife seemed pretty damning on a recent interview I saw.  (My opinion?...he's a MF bastard.)

[501]

Afghanistan is a joke. What's next? Somalia?  

We are not going to win by force. We set up base in remote areas to protect the people from terrorists. The terrorists wait until we leave and pull out their guns and set some more mines in the road. We're not losing over there because of an inept military force but a flawed strategy. Almost every civilian could be a terrorist. All it takes is a missile from an Allied Air Strike to kill a close family member or friend and you get a handful more of dedicated terrorists fighting for victory or martyrdom. It's guerilla politics. Send more troops with more battles and create more terrorists and more allied casualties. It is absolutely senseless. Diplomacy should always come before military.

Obama's following his heart and trying to please both sides of the aisle instead of sticking to his agenda. It's disenchanting but entertaining at the same time. All one can do is hope that a candidate follows through and in Obama's case grows a pair.

Never gonna find that perfect one.....

[501]

How about a quill feather and ink set, a "Victrola" to honor Queen Victoria if he travels to England, and perhaps a model of the Enola Gay model airplane to the Japanese PM. All nice gifts.

Senator McCain has a fight of his own at the 'ranch'.

What's John Edwards up-to lately?...just curious. His wife seemed pretty damning on a recent interview I saw.  (My opinion?...he's a MF bastard.)

So is Cheetah Woods. 

[RIVERS]

Afghanistan is a joke. What's next? Somalia?  

We are not going to win by force. We set up base in remote areas to protect the people from terrorists. The terrorists wait until we leave and pull out their guns and set some more mines in the road. We're not losing over there because of an inept military force but a flawed strategy. Almost every civilian could be a terrorist. All it takes is a missile from an Allied Air Strike to kill a close family member or friend and you get a handful more of dedicated terrorists fighting for victory or martyrdom. It's guerilla politics. Send more troops with more battles and create more terrorists and more allied casualties. It is absolutely senseless. Diplomacy should always come before military.

Obama's following his heart and trying to please both sides of the aisle instead of sticking to his agenda. It's disenchanting but entertaining at the same time. All one can do is hope that a candidate follows through and in Obama's case grows a pair.

Never gonna find that perfect one.....

You are right...but there is an end-game. At the same time you have to recognise these are dirt poor nomads that fight back for sport...they have no leadership, nor any hope of future other than drug trade (thier monetary system)...mean-wile?...a recently discovered mineral value (greater than some oil reserves) sit under there bloodied soil.

It's time for some leadership and new direction in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I will not rule out assassination of leaders who do not understand thier people's needs.

There are vast mineral deposits in Afghanistan than are worth Gazillions more than thier poppies.

For now?...we play the dead-end game of 'fighting' against folks in border regions near Pakistan?...No.

We need a better approach (obviously).  

[Rick]

There's a difference between deliberation and indecisiveness. You're a vet right? What's the difference between reinforcements now and 6 months from now?
Bush didn't just decide the Iraqi Army would be disbanded; they surrendered to us en masse. They wouldn't fight our traditional military if we paid them. Also, our intelligence suggested that Hussein had the weapons. Other countries believed the same way. John Kerry believed it. There was no amount of deliberation that would have brought about a clearer picture of what was going on inside Saddam's borders. Whether he was able to ship the weapons out before we got there, or never had them in the first place, is unknown.
Losing soldiers is tragic, and it is caused as much by poor decisions as by a lack of a decision.

McCain would not have denounced the law, which is a clearly positive step in the enforcement of immigration law, as unconstitutional. Especially without reading it first. McCain's base is the citizens of Arizona.

So tell me what has Bush's "decisiveness" done?  The so-called "intelligence" was bought, paid to anyone who would say what Bush wanted to hear.  Remember Challaby?  He was given hundreds of thousands of dollars and a home in suburban Washington to tell lies about what he 'knew' about those WMDs.  The morons in the White House came into power with a vendetta against Hussein that exceded any real deliberation on the merits of invading Iraq.  This isn't my opinion, it's fact.  Shipping weapons out before we got there? To whom?  With our satellites why weren't they caught?  Sorry, but you are buying all the crap all the Bush apologists are selling.  To all of you, what did Bush ever do?  He has never done anything.  It's all the people around him, or Congress, (he had a Repub. majority behind him for 6 1/2 years), bad intelligence, etc.  Why is Obama not given the same amount of faultlessness?  Yes, I'm a vet, not that it means much when you look at history.  I believe that civilians should always have the power to keep the military in check.  History will show we should have kept bush in check.  Speaking of immigration-McCain and his Republican cronies are the ones holding-up an immigration bill, under the guise of wording.   They really don't want a bill to pass.

[CKFresh]

A typical come-back from one who has nothing intelligent to say...what's next; "Yo Momma"?

Perhaps if your original post was clear as to your point and what your meaning was?...Never mind, I guess you couldn't find any response to 'cut and paste' that day, so you took-it upon yourself to create a confusing analogy.

It was only confusing to you.

So tell me what has Bush's "decisiveness" done?  The so-called "intelligence" was bought, paid to anyone who would say what Bush wanted to hear.  Remember Challaby?  He was given hundreds of thousands of dollars and a home in suburban Washington to tell lies about what he 'knew' about those WMDs.  The morons in the White House came into power with a vendetta against Hussein that exceded any real deliberation on the merits of invading Iraq.  This isn't my opinion, it's fact.  Shipping weapons out before we got there? To whom?  With our satellites why weren't they caught?  Sorry, but you are buying all the crap all the Bush apologists are selling.  To all of you, what did Bush ever do?  He has never done anything.  It's all the people around him, or Congress, (he had a Repub. majority behind him for 6 1/2 years), bad intelligence, etc.  Why is Obama not given the same amount of faultlessness?  Yes, I'm a vet, not that it means much when you look at history.  I believe that civilians should always have the power to keep the military in check.  History will show we should have kept bush in check.  Speaking of immigration-McCain and his Republican cronies are the ones holding-up an immigration bill, under the guise of wording.   They really don't want a bill to pass.

Chalabi
Chalabi was already loaded before his "intel" was used by Colin Powell to prove Saddam had WMDs. He didn't want money, he wanted Saddam gone. While the use of his fabrications was a mistake, it is hardly a case of Bush paying somebody off.

The morons in the White House came into power with a vendetta
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html
The US government had been trying to keep Saddam from using devastating weapons since he attacked Iran. It is ridiculous to believe that Bush was the only President who wanted Hussein gone.

Shipping weapons out before we got there? To whom?  With our satellites why weren't they caught?
Some went to Syria. Some were buried in Western Iraq. Some were destroyed on site. This was all caught on tape or documented via firsthand testimony. It's hard to miss huge convoys of trucks. We don't know what was in them but the assumption that these trucks, shipping out sometimes minutes before UN inspectors arrived at the suspect sites, contained prohibited materiel seems highly likely.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7658.doc.htm
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1673944/posts?page=110
You would think this would have been front-page news.

Why is Obama not given the same amount of faultlessness?
I'll ask you to show me one instance where the national media or a majority of public opinion has come down unfairly against Obama, but I feel like it will only be educational. That has categorically never happened.

They really don't want a bill to pass.
That's a little vague, Rick. Some more info would be nice.

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It was only confusing to you.

Again..nothing intelligent to say...let's insult others.

I'm pretty sure we all know each other 'CK'.

I try not to flat-out insult others, I may be gruff at times?...but I don't recall calling a member 'stupid' or any such non-sense.

Happy 15th birthday, in case I miss it. 

[RIVERS]

Chalabi
Chalabi was already loaded before his "intel" was used by Colin Powell to prove Saddam had WMDs. He didn't want money, he wanted Saddam gone. While the use of his fabrications was a mistake, it is hardly a case of Bush paying somebody off.

The morons in the White House came into power with a vendetta
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html
The US government had been trying to keep Saddam from using devastating weapons since he attacked Iran. It is ridiculous to believe that Bush was the only President who wanted Hussein gone.

Shipping weapons out before we got there? To whom?  With our satellites why weren't they caught?
Some went to Syria. Some were buried in Western Iraq. Some were destroyed on site. This was all caught on tape or documented via firsthand testimony. It's hard to miss huge convoys of trucks. We don't know what was in them but the assumption that these trucks, shipping out sometimes minutes before UN inspectors arrived at the suspect sites, contained prohibited materiel seems highly likely.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7658.doc.htm
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1673944/posts?page=110
You would think this would have been front-page news.

Why is Obama not given the same amount of faultlessness?
I'll ask you to show me one instance where the national media or a majority of public opinion has come down unfairly against Obama, but I feel like it will only be educational. That has categorically never happened.

They really don't want a bill to pass.
That's a little vague, Rick. Some more info would be nice.

Sometimes long posts with links make my brain board...short good points of excellence that make a point, then link a story I find more effective.

[RIVERS]

Sometimes long posts with links make my brain board...short good points of excellence that make a point, then link a story I find more effective.

Sometimes you don't have to say many words to say a lot.

Speaking of which...let's take a little music break.

RAY CHARLES/BILLY JOEL.

(Serious Niccccccceeee)


THAT IS SOOO GOOD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUNOmN3YVL0

[Poe]

Chalabi
Chalabi was already loaded before his "intel" was used by Colin Powell to prove Saddam had WMDs. He didn't want money, he wanted Saddam gone. While the use of his fabrications was a mistake, it is hardly a case of Bush paying somebody off.

The morons in the White House came into power with a vendetta
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html
The US government had been trying to keep Saddam from using devastating weapons since he attacked Iran. It is ridiculous to believe that Bush was the only President who wanted Hussein gone.

Shipping weapons out before we got there? To whom?  With our satellites why weren't they caught?
Some went to Syria. Some were buried in Western Iraq. Some were destroyed on site. This was all caught on tape or documented via firsthand testimony. It's hard to miss huge convoys of trucks. We don't know what was in them but the assumption that these trucks, shipping out sometimes minutes before UN inspectors arrived at the suspect sites, contained prohibited materiel seems highly likely.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7658.doc.htm
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/satellite-photos-support-testimony-that-iraqi-wmd-went-to-syria/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1673944/posts?page=110
You would think this would have been front-page news.

Why is Obama not given the same amount of faultlessness?
I'll ask you to show me one instance where the national media or a majority of public opinion has come down unfairly against Obama, but I feel like it will only be educational. That has categorically never happened.

They really don't want a bill to pass.
That's a little vague, Rick. Some more info would be nice.

Come one, TSizzle, you're more intelligent than this.  I know you are.

Bush immediately dropped the WMD rhetoric as soon as we had invaded.  What are weapons of mass destruction?  That was the gotcha, that's how he deceived the American people.  The phrase "weapons of mass destruction" immediately conjures the thought of nuclear weapons.  But there was no evidence of that.  He knew that, that's why he tried to fabricate some and outed a CIA agent as punishment to her husband for calling him on it.

Now if we're talking about chemical and biological weapons, yeah, he had those.  We know he did cause we have the receipts for them.  The biological agents came from NIH in Bethesda, MD, my man.  They were part of a program to send the raw ingredients for vaccinations to 'friendly' third world nations.

Your boy Reagan supported Hussein the whole time he was using chemical weapons against Iran.  THAT is what gave him the impression that he could invade Kuwait and get away with it so long as Bush the 41st won his election.

Bush (43rd) used the notion of nuclear weapons conjured by the use of the term weapons of mass destruction to hoodwink the American people.  Once the people were hoodwinked, the congress had no choice but to go along with it or give up their careers.  Save for a brave few, of course; RIP Senator Byrd.

Meanwhile, the whole time the hoodwinking was taking place, Iran and North Korea are waving giant flags and screaming at the top of their lungs, "WE ARE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS RIGHT NOW.  HERRE WE ARE!  RIGHT HERE!  RAW MATERIALS AND EXPERTISE WORKING 24 HOURS A DAY!"

Yeah, it was about weapons of mass destruction.  And Oliver North really didn't remember.  And Nixon was not a crook.  And read my lips...

It never ends with Republicans.

[Poe]